Nice article,very informative.I tried to use the same principles in my chart but couldn’t get started because my first relationship was in Rahu mahadasa(vimshottri)-surya antardasha but in my D-9 my seventh bhava is taurus with saturn in it which is in parivartana with venus(in 3rd house).so my first relationship should have been in saturn antara and not surya(exalted in 6th house).Can you explain?
my birth details are-25th may 1972,5 am ,bangalore,india.
How do You know Your D9 Lagna is right, with Your time - 5 am? Its very sensitive Lagna. Lets see from D1 point of view:
Upapada is in Gemini. Ra has virodhargala on Budha, Su has dhanargala on Budha. The same is with Upapada sign. Ra lords also A7 while Su has argala on Aquarius (a7).
If we assume D9 has Vrscika Lagna, then Ra is with Lagnesh and has argala on Lagna, while Su has argala on 7L.
I understand what u mean.I can’t be sure of the time but is there a possibility that gemini upapada can give two relationships–one in surya and one in shani antara?
I got married in December 1997-which was a registered one but we needed to have a traditional wedding in our culture which was supposed to take place in april 2001 which was set up but broke because of family problems.but we did end up having a traditional wedding in september 2002.In your opinion could you tell me which D-9 lagna is more accurate?
I have read that in some charts there is a crisis going on–relationships keep breaking and usually stops with the fourth one–what is the reason for such a syndrome?
1. Nope, one Upapada is one relationship. It can give the same person if UL and 8 from UL are dominated by the same planet. But here it is not so.
2. If Your wife is sometimes sickly, but religious and follower of tradition then Vrscika seems fine. This would also give Her beatiful eyes and shorttempered behaviour, which gets calm quickly.
Only Chandra, Shani, Surya has Argala on 7L in D9. Shani and Surya are very bad placed from Guru Mahadasa in D1, while Chandra is wellplaced and aspecting Upapada lord and is placed in seventh bhava giving marriage. Budha has the same potential as He is removing malefic argala in D9, therefore registration.
Thanks for the reply.My basis for asking whether gemini UL gives two relationships was–in jamini upadesa it says if the 2nd to UL is gemini then one would have two wives–because of the dual nature of the sign as well as mercury which indicates multiplicity,but i get your point.
i have a couple of questions–
If lord of 2nd to UL is eighth from itself what would it signify? and also
I apologise for not mentioning that my first UL was in rahu-surya dasa and my marriage was in guru-budha and guru-chandra, budha also happens to be in the 2nd bhava in D-9 and chandra happens to be the lord of 9th bhava which gives second and third relationship respectively.in D-1 2nd UL lord(makara) shani and 3rd UL lord(leo) surya are conjoined in the 2nd house.shani also happens to be the badakesha–so it did take me to a foreign country at the same time in the very beginning of guru-ketu.surya is with badakesha and again it gave me green card for another country in the beginning of guru-chandra and i moved again after that–so it would mean that the 2nd and 3rd UL are the same person?Please give your opinion.
First relationship - UL in D1; Seventh bhava in D9
Second relationship - 8 from UL in D1; 2H (eight from second) in D9
Now its for vivaha (serious relationship), not only sambandha (a7).
So task for astrologer is to recognize which persons represents which Upapadas, if one has more than one relationship in life.
Anyway:
1.Yes, Jaimini says thats when UL is in Vrsabha then this can give multiple relationship, the same is when exalted graha is in 2H from Upapada, but that can also be very auspicious for first relationship, so a lot will depend on rest of chart.
2. Prasna says You are on 2nd Upapada. Generally UL with Ra in CP will give sombre and very serious person, with cunning disposition and philosophical nature. With Sa in fifth from UL with Surya person should be knowledgable and You could meet in some place related to food or in some organization. You will have few misunderstanding and quarrels and usually the motherinlaw is not favouring You. Its tenth bhava which shows that work is very important for cementing the relationship and this person can feel indebted to You. This also shows that spiritual people/elder brother can be against marriage. Your Navamsa can be inaccurate and this can change the picture accordingly.
Now, changing the topic:
Where You curious about medicine/ayurveda, but You give up this interest (With Chandra in D9, and AL aspected by By/Ch)? If not Vrscika should be rejected.
Regarding Cp UL its totally a mixed picture.when i got married there was no issue about work though i did travel a lot at that time.now i am wondering whether my first relationship was a really a relationship according to astrology as i did not get the opportunity to really know the person–was quite a quiet guy and did not speak my language,there was commitment but it really did not get to that point because of family issues.in fact family issues have been prominent in both.sorry for the confusion but yes i am a doctor by profession also married to one who is social,fun loving and religious.though i did a few jobs there has been a long break in my career,one because it was stressful and second because there was an element of disinterest and hence a lack of commitment.I am really trying hard to get back on track on to the research side in the medical field.
hope this helps.
Dear Rafal-ji, Namaskar.
Is there a clear definition as to what constitutes a relationship in astrology?
Someone 2 years younger than me had a very sincere intrest in me since he was young.
I was only aware of it about 10 years ago…I think it was Rahu dasa Mercury antara. With time i started having an intrest as well. He is an only child and is in the engineering field. He could not communicate his feelings directly so i completely gave up on him during Rahu dasa Sun antaradasa. A few weeks after that an old childhood acquaintance came into the picture and i fell for him and the feeling was mutual. But that fell apart during moon antaradasa due to misunderstandings…he is quick tempered and proud and very good looking.
Lately (rahu dasa Mars antara)i had a major crush on a guy(in the Information Technology industry….he works in a bank and also runs his own IT company)) but changed my feelings to just friendly affection when i found out he was married. Unfortunately being just friends did not suit him (i suspect he was only attracted to me physically) so he hardly stays in touch.
All three relationships DID NOT involve any kind of committment. But i can’t help wonder if they represent relationships in astrological terms since i encouraged the first one and fell in love with the other two. What do you think Rafal-ji?
My birth details:
Date of Birth: November 23 1970
Time of Birth: 21:30 PM
TimeZone: +7:30 GMT
Location: Kuala Lumpur, Malaysia
Longitude: 101° 42′ E
Latitude: 03° 08′ N
Many thanks,
Priya
Rupa,
So I think it can be the first Upapada, still to be sure there is need to confirm few other facts. Did you have some quarrel/arguments, which were connected to place of stay or family? Also the fatherinlaw could be absent or not favouring this relationship? What are Your comments here?
Priya
The Upapada manifests when we are focus on giving (12H) not taking (7H). Thats one of factor when love replace the lust, therefore Shukra gets exalted in Pisces
You are right about having quarrels connected to family and also father-in-law died long before i got married.
Just to have more clarity–you have mentioned that upapada is about giving–so what would an affair constitute as–would it still be a7 even though one is giving physically but there is no commitment? and also
you have mentioned in one earlier post about a lady whose marriage broke when shani was transiting over the upapada.Interestingly when shani was transiting over my ist upapada i had the traditional marriage,please give your comments.
Affair/romance and all physical sambandha (even with one’s own wife) are seen from Darapada (A7). In this way we also judge compatibility (A7 from AL).
Gochar must be studied with Dasa, otherwise Your prediction will go astray.
Dear Rafal-ji, Namaskar.
I was and still am focused on “giving” to the last two persons that i mentioned. Perhaps it was more friendship than love for i think you are saying that any relationship that manifests in the future will be my first as far as the Upapada concept is concerned. So UL is still in Pieces….am i understanding you correctly?
Thank You so much for your patience,
Yours Gratefully,
Priya
Thank you for your patience.Its a bit clear now but if these are just mere relationships-a7 then where are they represented in the chart? because the first a7 is supposed to belong to the first UL.also
why does it keep happening to some because most of the time its not just a fling,one is really serious about it with an intention of marrying and settling down but it keeps breaking up–how is this indicated in the chart?
I have read that the upapada/2nd to UL needs to be strong to bring the relationship but it dosent necessarily happen with the first person you intend to marry,so is it all about timing?
sorry for asking so many questions,i’m eager to know from astrological point of view.
Priya
If You dont remember any serious relationship, with spiritual (pi) and shorttempered (rudra yoga) person (UL in Libra), which was full of love (5h) but ended in cold and quarrelsome mood (sa in aries), related to Your work (10H), where You could ignore the person due to some reason then surely still the Upapada is in Meena. Another option is to rectify D9 and see the occupation of spouse and inlaws. Here (for Mesha Lagna) Shukra is in twelfth bhava so first person could be related to arts, performance, financial managment (pi) etc; father inlaw should do the same work. Finally You can ask for Prashna and see Upapada in Prashna. In my prashna lord of UL is with Guru and Mo is aspecting UL, so it can be Your Meena-UL. BUT Upapadas in forth or sixth from Shukra doesnt fructify, so it could be some shortlasted event in Your past. Just compare indications. Do You have some quarrels/sadness in home right now?
Rupa
A7 is Sambandha, UL is Vivaha. All planets aspecting A7 shows relationship (judging compatibility - Jaimini Up. p.95) or buisness partners. A7 is also seen for judging wealth (Srimanth Yoga), if in kona/kendra to AL then this brings easy wealth (Jaimini Up. p.130).
Now going into relationship matters:
If the marriage breaks then surely the second from it must be afflicted in Rasi and Navamsa. If Upapada is strong then it can turn into marriage, if 2H from UL is strong then the relationship will stay. If the 2H from Upapada is weak then relationship will break and one goes to 8H from UL (second relationship). All this is in my articla about Sambandha.
Dear Rafal-ji, Namaskar.
Wow….so much can be gleaned from jyotish??? Simply amazing!
The 1st person i fell in love with was indeed particular about religion (don’t know how “spiritual” though) and VERY “short tempered”. It was “full of love” “but ended in cold mood”. His ego was wounded because he thot i purposely “ignored” him.When i tried to explain he was not in a receptive mood…i think he felt it was too little too late….so makes me wonder if his love was sincere??? He is very good looking and is the youngest of 5 with PR related(i think)job and is a childhood aquaintance. But the thing is it was not even slightly related to work.It started and ended at Church! My work related relationships were all one-sided, i had no real love for them - but was willing to see if love would eventually come- IT DIDN’T. My 2nd love was towards a married person(also very hot tempered, IT job & biz) which i quickly nipped in the bud.He helped me with some PC problems, introduced by my brother. Both have very good communication and language skills with a deep voice. But i still very much care for both these guys, which is why i thot maybe UL was involved. There was no physical contact with any of my relationships. Person related to arts, performance, financial managment doesn’t ring a bell unless it was just mutual attraction and intrest but never had the opportunity to manifest.
Do you think i should meditate on all this so that God can guide me in assessing my relationships/friendships and know what sort of person to look out for..Meena UL? /Libra UL?/ Taurus UL?…..Is there a limit to the UL’s i am allowed?
Am i to understand that if UL is still in Meena then it is going to be shortlived? More heartbreak :-(?
Dear Rafal-ji, i hope i haven’t bored you to death!I am wondering if other relationships eg an old lady or a young child(not related) whom we can sometime be very “giving” & “loving” towards - is this also going to manifest as UL??? If it’s a silly question please excuse my ignorance! How about selfish married couples who have no real love for each other ….do their UL’s manifest????
I am not yet married so i’m very curious about your question on my domestic situation i.e.”Do You have some quarrels/sadness in home right now?”
I am very depressed and have been for quite some time now. One of the main reasons is my dissapointment and disillusionment with my siblings(all married & older). My fault…i put them on a pedestal where they never belonged…and they have shown me their very human side.So yes i am very sad due to family …sad enuf to not join family functions/gatherings/trips eventhough deepdown i still love them …i feel there is just too much hippocrisy…but maybe i should just realize that it is all normal part of this world…not able to yet though. Do tell me why you asked Rafal-ji??? My current “home” is just me and my Dad…and i have a very nice Dad but he is already 81 & lives in his “own” religious “world”. So sometimes i feel i don’t belong anywhere.I tried ending it all on 24/10/04 but Divine intervention prevented me. I better stop NOW before you decide to block me from your site.
Confused as always,
Priya
Jyotish knowledge is never boring (in satva), unless one is still purely motivated.
a. married person? chech second bhava involved.
b. no art and performance? so change your navamsa lagna
c. yes, ask God for good husband. thats standart procedure when one has faith.
d. limit of UL? usually one goes to UL which has strong lord.
e. Meena UL seems gone.
f. UL is only for partnership
g. If one is married then it must be UL
Now my prashna:
I have two malefics in forth bhava (one was Shani) so therefore my question. So that explains your depression,
but dont worry it can show just it. Suicide is always the worst option as it means that you dont accept fate and Gods will,
this ends up in being ghost in next life. Mantra/prayer is on the contrary the best choice for EVERYTHING.
sorry for asking basic questions.there is so much on the net with different opinions but i have got an idea of it now.
does the upapadas always go in the regular order–does the first always come first or are there any exceptions?
also I always wondered why i lost interest in what i was doing,you mentioned that in navamsa AL is aspected by chandra–can you please amplify?
Yes, Upapadas go zodiacally and first is always the first. Just be careful about those situations:
a) if 12H is Kumbha or Vrscika then there can be two Upapadas (as Kumbha has two lords: Rahu and Shani; same with Vrscika: Ketu and Mangal).
b) Upapada also can show some relationship which doesnt fructify, then the lord must be weak (like debilitated in d1 or d9) or in twelfth bhava. In some situation this can give bachelor (COVA p.586). Also position from AL is important to judge ones attitude towards marriage or particular relationship. Arudhas yuti Upapada will show association of elements (COVA p.500). Also you can judge lord of Upapada from Upapada (COVA p.402).
In Navamsa see seventh bhava for first relationship. Also look for seventh lord and Shukra (COVA p. 302). Second bhava is for second relationship/marriage etc.
Dear Rafal-ji,Namaskar.
Thank You so much for your wise advice. I agree that suicide is the worst option and that i should never despair and instead trust in God’s wisdom and grace.
Rafal-ji can i know why you have stated “e. Meena UL seems gone.” when my 10th house activation(work related relationship) has not yet happened. (Is it because 10th house also signifies religious shrines and i had mentioned church as a place where it started …or are you looking at the spiritual nature of its lord Jupiter?). It could be that i am confused with my relationships and don’t see the connection but surely your prasna cannot be wrong. And in your prasna you had stated that “lord of UL is with Guru and Mo is aspecting UL, so it can be Your Meena-UL.” should not that mean that the short lasted relationship is yet to come. I prefer to rely on your prasna than my own muddled description of my relatonships. Besides should not Meena UL manifest during Jupiter’s Mahadasa rather than Rahu’s.Or is Rahu/sun period a possibility(ended in Rahu/moon…very short)? What about Rahu/mars(ending Rahu/mars) or Rahu/mercury(ending Rahu/sun)?
Also since Lord of UL Jupiter is in the 8th from it, could that mean a repeat of the same relationship after the Meena UL relationship ends? Infact 3rd UL Taurus is also connected to 2nd UL Libra i.e same Lords.
Do the lords of the UL show the persons complexion for example Jupiter( fair with tawny hair), Venus (dark with curly hair)? Rafal-ji can you please tell me which ULs are indicating the only child and the youngest child….or do i need to look at D9 for that?
What activates 5th house UL and 12th house UL…acquiring knowledge/search of spiritual wisdom….meditation or some kind of loss has to be incurred? Or do you look at the rasi Lord (venus) for indications.
What should i look out for in the 2nd bhava in regard to married person? Can the UL also indicate if the person is younger or older? If i take Taurus (or Pieces) as my D9 lagna does that mean Aries (or Aquarius) will indicate the Meena UL person’s occupation? What is the most obvious indication used to rectify D9 chart?
Finally can i assume that the 7th lord indicating spouse remains the same regardless of number of relationships? If so is there a way to see what the 7th lord is describing and use it to find the UL which will result in marriage? So sorry for having dragged this topic for this long.
Thank You.
Priya
1. Meena UL is gone, because it suits Your ex-partner.
2. To know exactly when It happened You have to rectify D9.
3. It cant be repeated as there is Shukra also.
4. Complexion You can see in D9.
5. If 3 from UL is aspected by Venus or Sa/Ra then spouse is the youngest.
6. UL cant fall in twelfth bhava. Fifth can also show gathering/party/conference. Lord will show place, bhava what You must do/event associated.
7. We rectify D9 based on wealth (10H), libido (2H), attitude towards authority (9H), quarrels (6H), diseases (moksha trikona), partner abilities (kona to 7H) and our own abilities (kona to NL)>
8. 7L shows which spouse You seek, and their general health (dispositor of 7L).
Dear Rafal-ji,Namaskar and thanks for detailed reply.
So sorry to persist but the person was the youngest and 3rd from Meena UL is not aspected by Venus/sat/rahu. But 3rd from Libra UL is aspected by Saturn. Did you mean graha drishti/ rashi drishti? What about indication for the only child? If eldest do i look at similar aspects on the 11th from UL?
8th house from 2nd UL Libra is Taurus i.e my 12th bhava, what happens when UL is in Taurus since you say that UL can’t fall in 12th bhava? Do i skip that and proceed to 8th therefrom i.e Saggitarius?
Thank You,
Priya
3 from Meena is aspected by Shukra, which is in eigth from Upapada. Similar is for Libra Navamsa (your seventh bhava). Moon in ninth from Upapada gives one child. Yes, eldest is 11H from Arudhapada/Upapada.
what are the planetary combinations which indicate that one’s spouse is a doctor and of another caste?
My Cp UL also has A8 in it—what does it indicate? also
if the UL lord is in 2nd bhava does it always indicate that one would have a relationship with a married man?
Dear Rafalji,
Namaste,
May be I’m wrong.The seventh house/ it’s Lord from Sukra(Venus) brings one’s spouse( the first one).But whether it’ll indicate the direction from where he/she ‘ll come?
I have a couple of questions-
1)if we have to time relationships using Narayana dasa in D-9 do we use the strongest of the 1st and 7th house in
D-9 to start–as it indicates spouse or do we use the 9th lord from the rasi chart and see the strongest?
2)and how do we see aspects of Narayana dasa–is it just 7th to it or is it like rasi drishti?
Thanks for answering all my queries.
Rupa.
I saw a chart which has Taurus upapada.I have a few questions regarding this–
1)since taurus upapada gives two relationships—are both the relationships represented by the taurus sign?(UL lord venus is with moon in sagitarius).You have also mentioned that it could be auspicious for the first relationship–how so?
2)if the UL lord is badhakesh and retrograde in D-1 and debilitated in D-9 what would it signify? does it act like an exalted planet? and
3)if the 2nd to UL is 12th house does it mean the person has to go to a foreign country to sustain the relationship?
many thanks,
Rupa.
1.Upapada in Vrsabha shows tendency to have many wives, this can bring loose attitude in that matters. If exalted graha is in 2H from Upapada then also native have many partners. You should still stick to standart rule, so the 2nd partner should be read from Dhanus Rasi.
2.Debilitation in D9 shows that it cant be turned into marriage. UL lord being badhakesh shows some obstacles to get married, but more so if UL lord is in badhakasthana. Upapada lord being Vakri can show delay in that matters due to lack of confidence/conviction.
The second UL lord Jupiter is retrograde and badhakesh in 2nd house–also in parivartana yoga with exalted venus in 7th house and in D-9 jupiter is getting neechabanga by moon and saturn being kendra to moon–is it still not eligible to give marriage?
many thanks,
Rupa.
I’m sorry i did not understand what you meant.I was talking about the second UL lord jupiter–sagitarius,the first being taurus–lord venus in pisces.please explain.
many thanks
Rupa.
!!JAI SRISAIRAM!!
RESPECTED RAFALJI, MY PRANAM TO YOU,
HERE IS A DATA OF AGIRL WHO IS REFUSING A GOOD BOY & THEREFOR MARRIAGE,
2-4-1983,3:10AM,OSAMANABAD ,76E6,18N9 INDIA
1. UPPADA IS IN LIBRA WITH EXALTED SATURN,( SPOUSE OF AVERY HIGH CALIBER )
& LORD VENUS IS 7TH FROM THERE WITH OWN HOUSE MARS & IN AL, DOES IT MEAN SHE IS ENEMY TO HER OWN MARRIAGE,AND WILL REJECT MARRIAGE.
2. VENUS ENVOLVED IN A CURSE (MATRUSHAPA) WITH MARS ASPECTED BY SATURN,BOTH VERY STRONG PLANETS,CAUSING THE PROBLEM,ALSO VEN IS 7TH LORD FROM MOON.
3.AL & UL OPPOSITE EACH OTHER , STRONG OPOSITION FROM GIRL HERSELF,& DOES FASTING ON FRIDEY SOLVE THIS, WITH ANY VISHNU MANTRA.
WAITING FOR UR WORDS,
SHASHANK,,,,,,,,,,,,
This 1/7 relation can be problematic if planets are enemical to each other, in this case Ma and Sa are enemies and are placed in opposite poles in Kalachakra.
If Guru will come to Makara it will aspect 2nd from Upapada which will be good time for marriage. Now its Ra-Guru period, and Guru can definitely give marriage being in seventh in D9 and in 2H from UL. But Guru will give effect in Shani dasa (which is also in UL) in D9, so from Sep 2008.
Its not matru-shapa, its kalatra-saapa/shukra-saapa. It will be until 2016. Kamala devi is the best remedy.
i have a doubt regarding guru dristi on UL and 2nd from UL.Vistiji in one of his lectures has said that when jupiter aspects UL relationship will come,others have said when jupiter aspects 2nd from UL relationship will manifest–what is the difference between the two? when they say manifest are they talking about marriage?
September 12th, 2007 at 6:08 am
Good one
December 12th, 2007 at 11:05 pm
Dear Rafalji,
Nice article,very informative.I tried to use the same principles in my chart but couldn’t get started because my first relationship was in Rahu mahadasa(vimshottri)-surya antardasha but in my D-9 my seventh bhava is taurus with saturn in it which is in parivartana with venus(in 3rd house).so my first relationship should have been in saturn antara and not surya(exalted in 6th house).Can you explain?
my birth details are-25th may 1972,5 am ,bangalore,india.
December 13th, 2007 at 11:28 am
Dear Rupa, Namaskar
How do You know Your D9 Lagna is right, with Your time - 5 am? Its very sensitive Lagna. Lets see from D1 point of view:
Upapada is in Gemini. Ra has virodhargala on Budha, Su has dhanargala on Budha. The same is with Upapada sign. Ra lords also A7 while Su has argala on Aquarius (a7).
If we assume D9 has Vrscika Lagna, then Ra is with Lagnesh and has argala on Lagna, while Su has argala on 7L.
Regards,
Rafal Gendarz
December 14th, 2007 at 6:58 am
Dear Rafalji,
I understand what u mean.I can’t be sure of the time but is there a possibility that gemini upapada can give two relationships–one in surya and one in shani antara?
I got married in December 1997-which was a registered one but we needed to have a traditional wedding in our culture which was supposed to take place in april 2001 which was set up but broke because of family problems.but we did end up having a traditional wedding in september 2002.In your opinion could you tell me which D-9 lagna is more accurate?
I have read that in some charts there is a crisis going on–relationships keep breaking and usually stops with the fourth one–what is the reason for such a syndrome?
many thanks
Rupa.
December 14th, 2007 at 2:00 pm
Dear Rupa, Namaskar
1. Nope, one Upapada is one relationship. It can give the same person if UL and 8 from UL are dominated by the same planet. But here it is not so.
2. If Your wife is sometimes sickly, but religious and follower of tradition then Vrscika seems fine. This would also give Her beatiful eyes and shorttempered behaviour, which gets calm quickly.
Only Chandra, Shani, Surya has Argala on 7L in D9. Shani and Surya are very bad placed from Guru Mahadasa in D1, while Chandra is wellplaced and aspecting Upapada lord and is placed in seventh bhava giving marriage. Budha has the same potential as He is removing malefic argala in D9, therefore registration.
Regards,
Rafal Gendarz
December 15th, 2007 at 3:31 am
Dear Rafalji,
Thanks for the reply.My basis for asking whether gemini UL gives two relationships was–in jamini upadesa it says if the 2nd to UL is gemini then one would have two wives–because of the dual nature of the sign as well as mercury which indicates multiplicity,but i get your point.
i have a couple of questions–
If lord of 2nd to UL is eighth from itself what would it signify? and also
I apologise for not mentioning that my first UL was in rahu-surya dasa and my marriage was in guru-budha and guru-chandra, budha also happens to be in the 2nd bhava in D-9 and chandra happens to be the lord of 9th bhava which gives second and third relationship respectively.in D-1 2nd UL lord(makara) shani and 3rd UL lord(leo) surya are conjoined in the 2nd house.shani also happens to be the badakesha–so it did take me to a foreign country at the same time in the very beginning of guru-ketu.surya is with badakesha and again it gave me green card for another country in the beginning of guru-chandra and i moved again after that–so it would mean that the 2nd and 3rd UL are the same person?Please give your opinion.
many thanks
Rupa.
December 15th, 2007 at 6:12 am
just to add one more thing—the first UL ended in early guru-shani dasa which was mainly long distance through letters.
thanks
Rupa.
December 15th, 2007 at 11:28 am
Dear Rupa, Namaskar
oh..its important to mention those facts.
First relationship - UL in D1; Seventh bhava in D9
Second relationship - 8 from UL in D1; 2H (eight from second) in D9
Now its for vivaha (serious relationship), not only sambandha (a7).
So task for astrologer is to recognize which persons represents which Upapadas, if one has more than one relationship in life.
Anyway:
1.Yes, Jaimini says thats when UL is in Vrsabha then this can give multiple relationship, the same is when exalted graha is in 2H from Upapada, but that can also be very auspicious for first relationship, so a lot will depend on rest of chart.
2. Prasna says You are on 2nd Upapada. Generally UL with Ra in CP will give sombre and very serious person, with cunning disposition and philosophical nature. With Sa in fifth from UL with Surya person should be knowledgable and You could meet in some place related to food or in some organization. You will have few misunderstanding and quarrels and usually the motherinlaw is not favouring You. Its tenth bhava which shows that work is very important for cementing the relationship and this person can feel indebted to You. This also shows that spiritual people/elder brother can be against marriage. Your Navamsa can be inaccurate and this can change the picture accordingly.
Now, changing the topic:
Where You curious about medicine/ayurveda, but You give up this interest (With Chandra in D9, and AL aspected by By/Ch)? If not Vrscika should be rejected.
Regards,
Rafal Gendarz
December 16th, 2007 at 9:17 am
Dear Rafalji,
Regarding Cp UL its totally a mixed picture.when i got married there was no issue about work though i did travel a lot at that time.now i am wondering whether my first relationship was a really a relationship according to astrology as i did not get the opportunity to really know the person–was quite a quiet guy and did not speak my language,there was commitment but it really did not get to that point because of family issues.in fact family issues have been prominent in both.sorry for the confusion but yes i am a doctor by profession also married to one who is social,fun loving and religious.though i did a few jobs there has been a long break in my career,one because it was stressful and second because there was an element of disinterest and hence a lack of commitment.I am really trying hard to get back on track on to the research side in the medical field.
hope this helps.
many thanks
Rupa.
December 16th, 2007 at 5:20 pm
Dear Rafal-ji, Namaskar.
Is there a clear definition as to what constitutes a relationship in astrology?
Someone 2 years younger than me had a very sincere intrest in me since he was young.
I was only aware of it about 10 years ago…I think it was Rahu dasa Mercury antara. With time i started having an intrest as well. He is an only child and is in the engineering field. He could not communicate his feelings directly so i completely gave up on him during Rahu dasa Sun antaradasa. A few weeks after that an old childhood acquaintance came into the picture and i fell for him and the feeling was mutual. But that fell apart during moon antaradasa due to misunderstandings…he is quick tempered and proud and very good looking.
Lately (rahu dasa Mars antara)i had a major crush on a guy(in the Information Technology industry….he works in a bank and also runs his own IT company)) but changed my feelings to just friendly affection when i found out he was married. Unfortunately being just friends did not suit him (i suspect he was only attracted to me physically) so he hardly stays in touch.
All three relationships DID NOT involve any kind of committment. But i can’t help wonder if they represent relationships in astrological terms since i encouraged the first one and fell in love with the other two. What do you think Rafal-ji?
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Many thanks,
Priya
December 17th, 2007 at 8:38 pm
Dear Rupa, Priya, Namaskar
Rupa,
So I think it can be the first Upapada, still to be sure there is need to confirm few other facts. Did you have some quarrel/arguments, which were connected to place of stay or family? Also the fatherinlaw could be absent or not favouring this relationship? What are Your comments here?
Priya
The Upapada manifests when we are focus on giving (12H) not taking (7H). Thats one of factor when love replace the lust, therefore Shukra gets exalted in Pisces
Regards,
Rafal Gendarz
December 18th, 2007 at 2:59 am
Dear Rafalji,Namaskar
You are right about having quarrels connected to family and also father-in-law died long before i got married.
Just to have more clarity–you have mentioned that upapada is about giving–so what would an affair constitute as–would it still be a7 even though one is giving physically but there is no commitment? and also
you have mentioned in one earlier post about a lady whose marriage broke when shani was transiting over the upapada.Interestingly when shani was transiting over my ist upapada i had the traditional marriage,please give your comments.
many thanks,
Rupa.
December 18th, 2007 at 11:13 am
Dear Rupa, Namaskar
Affair/romance and all physical sambandha (even with one’s own wife) are seen from Darapada (A7). In this way we also judge compatibility (A7 from AL).
Gochar must be studied with Dasa, otherwise Your prediction will go astray.
Regards,
Rafal Gendarz
December 18th, 2007 at 1:23 pm
Dear Rafal-ji, Namaskar.
I was and still am focused on “giving” to the last two persons that i mentioned. Perhaps it was more friendship than love for i think you are saying that any relationship that manifests in the future will be my first as far as the Upapada concept is concerned. So UL is still in Pieces….am i understanding you correctly?
Thank You so much for your patience,
Yours Gratefully,
Priya
December 18th, 2007 at 8:49 pm
Dear Rafalji,
Thank you for your patience.Its a bit clear now but if these are just mere relationships-a7 then where are they represented in the chart? because the first a7 is supposed to belong to the first UL.also
why does it keep happening to some because most of the time its not just a fling,one is really serious about it with an intention of marrying and settling down but it keeps breaking up–how is this indicated in the chart?
I have read that the upapada/2nd to UL needs to be strong to bring the relationship but it dosent necessarily happen with the first person you intend to marry,so is it all about timing?
sorry for asking so many questions,i’m eager to know from astrological point of view.
many thanks,
Rupa.
December 19th, 2007 at 3:47 pm
Dear Priya, Rupa, Namaskar
Priya
If You dont remember any serious relationship, with spiritual (pi) and shorttempered (rudra yoga) person (UL in Libra), which was full of love (5h) but ended in cold and quarrelsome mood (sa in aries), related to Your work (10H), where You could ignore the person due to some reason then surely still the Upapada is in Meena. Another option is to rectify D9 and see the occupation of spouse and inlaws. Here (for Mesha Lagna) Shukra is in twelfth bhava so first person could be related to arts, performance, financial managment (pi) etc; father inlaw should do the same work. Finally You can ask for Prashna and see Upapada in Prashna. In my prashna lord of UL is with Guru and Mo is aspecting UL, so it can be Your Meena-UL. BUT Upapadas in forth or sixth from Shukra doesnt fructify, so it could be some shortlasted event in Your past. Just compare indications. Do You have some quarrels/sadness in home right now?
Rupa
A7 is Sambandha, UL is Vivaha. All planets aspecting A7 shows relationship (judging compatibility - Jaimini Up. p.95) or buisness partners. A7 is also seen for judging wealth (Srimanth Yoga), if in kona/kendra to AL then this brings easy wealth (Jaimini Up. p.130).
Now going into relationship matters:
If the marriage breaks then surely the second from it must be afflicted in Rasi and Navamsa. If Upapada is strong then it can turn into marriage, if 2H from UL is strong then the relationship will stay. If the 2H from Upapada is weak then relationship will break and one goes to 8H from UL (second relationship). All this is in my articla about Sambandha.
Regards,
Rafal Gendarz
December 19th, 2007 at 7:17 pm
Dear Rafal-ji, Namaskar.
Wow….so much can be gleaned from jyotish??? Simply amazing!
The 1st person i fell in love with was indeed particular about religion (don’t know how “spiritual” though) and VERY “short tempered”. It was “full of love” “but ended in cold mood”. His ego was wounded because he thot i purposely “ignored” him.When i tried to explain he was not in a receptive mood…i think he felt it was too little too late….so makes me wonder if his love was sincere??? He is very good looking and is the youngest of 5 with PR related(i think)job and is a childhood aquaintance. But the thing is it was not even slightly related to work.It started and ended at Church! My work related relationships were all one-sided, i had no real love for them - but was willing to see if love would eventually come- IT DIDN’T. My 2nd love was towards a married person(also very hot tempered, IT job & biz) which i quickly nipped in the bud.He helped me with some PC problems, introduced by my brother. Both have very good communication and language skills with a deep voice. But i still very much care for both these guys, which is why i thot maybe UL was involved. There was no physical contact with any of my relationships. Person related to arts, performance, financial managment doesn’t ring a bell unless it was just mutual attraction and intrest but never had the opportunity to manifest.
Do you think i should meditate on all this so that God can guide me in assessing my relationships/friendships and know what sort of person to look out for..Meena UL? /Libra UL?/ Taurus UL?…..Is there a limit to the UL’s i am allowed?
Am i to understand that if UL is still in Meena then it is going to be shortlived? More heartbreak :-(?
Dear Rafal-ji, i hope i haven’t bored you to death!I am wondering if other relationships eg an old lady or a young child(not related) whom we can sometime be very “giving” & “loving” towards - is this also going to manifest as UL??? If it’s a silly question please excuse my ignorance! How about selfish married couples who have no real love for each other ….do their UL’s manifest????
I am not yet married so i’m very curious about your question on my domestic situation i.e.”Do You have some quarrels/sadness in home right now?”
I am very depressed and have been for quite some time now. One of the main reasons is my dissapointment and disillusionment with my siblings(all married & older). My fault…i put them on a pedestal where they never belonged…and they have shown me their very human side.So yes i am very sad due to family …sad enuf to not join family functions/gatherings/trips eventhough deepdown i still love them …i feel there is just too much hippocrisy…but maybe i should just realize that it is all normal part of this world…not able to yet though. Do tell me why you asked Rafal-ji??? My current “home” is just me and my Dad…and i have a very nice Dad but he is already 81 & lives in his “own” religious “world”. So sometimes i feel i don’t belong anywhere.I tried ending it all on 24/10/04 but Divine intervention prevented me. I better stop NOW before you decide to block me from your site.
Confused as always,
Priya
December 19th, 2007 at 10:51 pm
Dear Priya, Namaskar
Jyotish knowledge is never boring (in satva), unless one is still purely motivated.
a. married person? chech second bhava involved.
b. no art and performance? so change your navamsa lagna
c. yes, ask God for good husband. thats standart procedure when one has faith.
d. limit of UL? usually one goes to UL which has strong lord.
e. Meena UL seems gone.
f. UL is only for partnership
g. If one is married then it must be UL
Now my prashna:
I have two malefics in forth bhava (one was Shani) so therefore my question. So that explains your depression,
but dont worry it can show just it. Suicide is always the worst option as it means that you dont accept fate and Gods will,
this ends up in being ghost in next life. Mantra/prayer is on the contrary the best choice for EVERYTHING.
Regards,
Rafal Gendarz
December 20th, 2007 at 6:44 am
Dear Rafalji,
sorry for asking basic questions.there is so much on the net with different opinions but i have got an idea of it now.
does the upapadas always go in the regular order–does the first always come first or are there any exceptions?
also I always wondered why i lost interest in what i was doing,you mentioned that in navamsa AL is aspected by chandra–can you please amplify?
many thanks
Rupa.
December 20th, 2007 at 1:05 pm
Dear Rupa, Namaskar
Yes, Upapadas go zodiacally and first is always the first. Just be careful about those situations:
a) if 12H is Kumbha or Vrscika then there can be two Upapadas (as Kumbha has two lords: Rahu and Shani; same with Vrscika: Ketu and Mangal).
b) Upapada also can show some relationship which doesnt fructify, then the lord must be weak (like debilitated in d1 or d9) or in twelfth bhava. In some situation this can give bachelor (COVA p.586). Also position from AL is important to judge ones attitude towards marriage or particular relationship. Arudhas yuti Upapada will show association of elements (COVA p.500). Also you can judge lord of Upapada from Upapada (COVA p.402).
In Navamsa see seventh bhava for first relationship. Also look for seventh lord and Shukra (COVA p. 302). Second bhava is for second relationship/marriage etc.
Hope this helps.
Regards,
Rafal Gendarz
December 20th, 2007 at 3:17 pm
Dear Rafal-ji,Namaskar.
Thank You so much for your wise advice. I agree that suicide is the worst option and that i should never despair and instead trust in God’s wisdom and grace.
Rafal-ji can i know why you have stated “e. Meena UL seems gone.” when my 10th house activation(work related relationship) has not yet happened. (Is it because 10th house also signifies religious shrines and i had mentioned church as a place where it started …or are you looking at the spiritual nature of its lord Jupiter?). It could be that i am confused with my relationships and don’t see the connection but surely your prasna cannot be wrong. And in your prasna you had stated that “lord of UL is with Guru and Mo is aspecting UL, so it can be Your Meena-UL.” should not that mean that the short lasted relationship is yet to come. I prefer to rely on your prasna than my own muddled description of my relatonships. Besides should not Meena UL manifest during Jupiter’s Mahadasa rather than Rahu’s.Or is Rahu/sun period a possibility(ended in Rahu/moon…very short)? What about Rahu/mars(ending Rahu/mars) or Rahu/mercury(ending Rahu/sun)?
Also since Lord of UL Jupiter is in the 8th from it, could that mean a repeat of the same relationship after the Meena UL relationship ends? Infact 3rd UL Taurus is also connected to 2nd UL Libra i.e same Lords.
Do the lords of the UL show the persons complexion for example Jupiter( fair with tawny hair), Venus (dark with curly hair)? Rafal-ji can you please tell me which ULs are indicating the only child and the youngest child….or do i need to look at D9 for that?
What activates 5th house UL and 12th house UL…acquiring knowledge/search of spiritual wisdom….meditation or some kind of loss has to be incurred? Or do you look at the rasi Lord (venus) for indications.
What should i look out for in the 2nd bhava in regard to married person? Can the UL also indicate if the person is younger or older? If i take Taurus (or Pieces) as my D9 lagna does that mean Aries (or Aquarius) will indicate the Meena UL person’s occupation? What is the most obvious indication used to rectify D9 chart?
Finally can i assume that the 7th lord indicating spouse remains the same regardless of number of relationships? If so is there a way to see what the 7th lord is describing and use it to find the UL which will result in marriage? So sorry for having dragged this topic for this long.
Thank You.
Priya
December 20th, 2007 at 5:06 pm
Dear Priya, Namaskar
1. Meena UL is gone, because it suits Your ex-partner.
2. To know exactly when It happened You have to rectify D9.
3. It cant be repeated as there is Shukra also.
4. Complexion You can see in D9.
5. If 3 from UL is aspected by Venus or Sa/Ra then spouse is the youngest.
6. UL cant fall in twelfth bhava. Fifth can also show gathering/party/conference. Lord will show place, bhava what You must do/event associated.
7. We rectify D9 based on wealth (10H), libido (2H), attitude towards authority (9H), quarrels (6H), diseases (moksha trikona), partner abilities (kona to 7H) and our own abilities (kona to NL)>
8. 7L shows which spouse You seek, and their general health (dispositor of 7L).
Regards,
Rafal Gendarz
December 20th, 2007 at 5:53 pm
Dear Rafal-ji,Namaskar and thanks for detailed reply.
So sorry to persist but the person was the youngest and 3rd from Meena UL is not aspected by Venus/sat/rahu. But 3rd from Libra UL is aspected by Saturn. Did you mean graha drishti/ rashi drishti? What about indication for the only child? If eldest do i look at similar aspects on the 11th from UL?
8th house from 2nd UL Libra is Taurus i.e my 12th bhava, what happens when UL is in Taurus since you say that UL can’t fall in 12th bhava? Do i skip that and proceed to 8th therefrom i.e Saggitarius?
Thank You,
Priya
December 20th, 2007 at 7:20 pm
Dear Priya, Namaskar
Rasi Drsti.
3 from Meena is aspected by Shukra, which is in eigth from Upapada. Similar is for Libra Navamsa (your seventh bhava). Moon in ninth from Upapada gives one child. Yes, eldest is 11H from Arudhapada/Upapada.
FIRST Upapada cant fall in twelfth bhava.
Regards,
Rafal Gendarz
December 21st, 2007 at 5:12 am
Dear Rafalji,
what are the planetary combinations which indicate that one’s spouse is a doctor and of another caste?
My Cp UL also has A8 in it—what does it indicate? also
if the UL lord is in 2nd bhava does it always indicate that one would have a relationship with a married man?
many thanks,
Rupa.
December 21st, 2007 at 6:59 am
Dear Rafalji,
Namaste,
May be I’m wrong.The seventh house/ it’s Lord from Sukra(Venus) brings one’s spouse( the first one).But whether it’ll indicate the direction from where he/she ‘ll come?
Thanks n Regards,
Rati
December 21st, 2007 at 11:04 am
Dear Rupa, Rati, Namaskar
Rupa
See forth bhava in Navamsa to check profession of spouse.
UL with A8 can indicate arranged marriage, or some other eight house indication.
When UL is in second bhava, then still we should check Navamsa to be sure.
Rati
See sign and planets yuti with 7L from Shukra.
Regards,
Rafal Gendarz
December 22nd, 2007 at 10:20 pm
Dear Rafalji,
I have a couple of questions-
1)if we have to time relationships using Narayana dasa in D-9 do we use the strongest of the 1st and 7th house in
D-9 to start–as it indicates spouse or do we use the 9th lord from the rasi chart and see the strongest?
2)and how do we see aspects of Narayana dasa–is it just 7th to it or is it like rasi drishti?
Thanks for answering all my queries.
Rupa.
December 22nd, 2007 at 11:40 pm
Dear Rupa, Namaskar
1. For dharma ? for relationship start with seventh lord from Rasi..then use 1/7 from that lord in D9.
2. Rasi Drsti.
Regards,
Rafal Gendarz
January 18th, 2008 at 7:58 am
Dear Rafalji,
I saw a chart which has Taurus upapada.I have a few questions regarding this–
1)since taurus upapada gives two relationships—are both the relationships represented by the taurus sign?(UL lord venus is with moon in sagitarius).You have also mentioned that it could be auspicious for the first relationship–how so?
2)if the UL lord is badhakesh and retrograde in D-1 and debilitated in D-9 what would it signify? does it act like an exalted planet? and
3)if the 2nd to UL is 12th house does it mean the person has to go to a foreign country to sustain the relationship?
many thanks,
Rupa.
January 18th, 2008 at 5:25 pm
Dear Rupa, Namaskar
1.Upapada in Vrsabha shows tendency to have many wives, this can bring loose attitude in that matters. If exalted graha is in 2H from Upapada then also native have many partners. You should still stick to standart rule, so the 2nd partner should be read from Dhanus Rasi.
2.Debilitation in D9 shows that it cant be turned into marriage. UL lord being badhakesh shows some obstacles to get married, but more so if UL lord is in badhakasthana. Upapada lord being Vakri can show delay in that matters due to lack of confidence/conviction.
3. Right.
Regards,
Rafal Gendarz
January 19th, 2008 at 2:40 am
Dear Rafalji,
The second UL lord Jupiter is retrograde and badhakesh in 2nd house–also in parivartana yoga with exalted venus in 7th house and in D-9 jupiter is getting neechabanga by moon and saturn being kendra to moon–is it still not eligible to give marriage?
many thanks,
Rupa.
January 19th, 2008 at 2:56 am
Dear Rupa, Namaskar
Yes, I was taught that in this scenario, there will be at least one relationship before marriage.
Regards,
Rafal Gendarz
January 19th, 2008 at 7:47 am
Dear Rafalji,
I’m sorry i did not understand what you meant.I was talking about the second UL lord jupiter–sagitarius,the first being taurus–lord venus in pisces.please explain.
many thanks
Rupa.
January 19th, 2008 at 10:25 am
Dear Rupa, Namaskar
The rule is very simple, if particular Upapada lord is in neecha diptadiavastha in D9 then this particular relation will not turn into marriage.
Regards,
Rafal Gendarz
January 20th, 2008 at 2:35 am
Dear Rafalji,
Its clear now.
Thank You.
Rupa.
January 20th, 2008 at 6:33 pm
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January 20th, 2008 at 7:01 pm
Dear Jagmal, Namaskar
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Regards,
Rafal Gendarz
January 21st, 2008 at 7:55 am
Dear Rafal Ji Namastay,
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Thanks
Jagmal
March 31st, 2008 at 9:24 am
!!JAI SRISAIRAM!!
RESPECTED RAFALJI, MY PRANAM TO YOU,
HERE IS A DATA OF AGIRL WHO IS REFUSING A GOOD BOY & THEREFOR MARRIAGE,
2-4-1983,3:10AM,OSAMANABAD ,76E6,18N9 INDIA
1. UPPADA IS IN LIBRA WITH EXALTED SATURN,( SPOUSE OF AVERY HIGH CALIBER )
& LORD VENUS IS 7TH FROM THERE WITH OWN HOUSE MARS & IN AL, DOES IT MEAN SHE IS ENEMY TO HER OWN MARRIAGE,AND WILL REJECT MARRIAGE.
2. VENUS ENVOLVED IN A CURSE (MATRUSHAPA) WITH MARS ASPECTED BY SATURN,BOTH VERY STRONG PLANETS,CAUSING THE PROBLEM,ALSO VEN IS 7TH LORD FROM MOON.
3.AL & UL OPPOSITE EACH OTHER , STRONG OPOSITION FROM GIRL HERSELF,& DOES FASTING ON FRIDEY SOLVE THIS, WITH ANY VISHNU MANTRA.
WAITING FOR UR WORDS,
SHASHANK,,,,,,,,,,,,
March 31st, 2008 at 4:57 pm
Dear Shashank, Namaskar
This 1/7 relation can be problematic if planets are enemical to each other, in this case Ma and Sa are enemies and are placed in opposite poles in Kalachakra.
If Guru will come to Makara it will aspect 2nd from Upapada which will be good time for marriage. Now its Ra-Guru period, and Guru can definitely give marriage being in seventh in D9 and in 2H from UL. But Guru will give effect in Shani dasa (which is also in UL) in D9, so from Sep 2008.
Its not matru-shapa, its kalatra-saapa/shukra-saapa. It will be until 2016. Kamala devi is the best remedy.
Regards,
Rafal Gendarz
April 1st, 2008 at 4:13 am
Dear Rafalji,
i have a doubt regarding guru dristi on UL and 2nd from UL.Vistiji in one of his lectures has said that when jupiter aspects UL relationship will come,others have said when jupiter aspects 2nd from UL relationship will manifest–what is the difference between the two? when they say manifest are they talking about marriage?
Thank You,
Rupa.